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Jan 11

By the way, just a warning, the guy coming in after us is Gay.

From an interview posted on a popular blog (Devin and Matt are the reps from the blog):

Matt: By the way, just a warning, the guy coming in after us is Gay.

Devin: Yeah, we were making fun of Gays and he mentioned he’s from San Francisco and we were like, “Um, are you Gay?” And he is.

And on….

Does that seem insensitive to you?  Is it pure bigotry?  Yeah, I think so.  Thing is, apparently it’s perfectly acceptable because they weren’t Gay Bashing, they were Mormon bashing.  I’ve replaced their use of the word Mormon with Gay to demonstrate a point. 

Somehow it has become almost fashionable to Mormon bash – I guess it was made so by Mitt Romney running for President or something – I don’t know, I don’t watch the news – ever.  What I do know is that I’m seeing Mormon bashing a lot more frequently than I have in the past and I’m getting tired of it.  Replace the word Gay up there with Black or Jewish or Muslim – it’s clearly bigotted nonsense and we all know better (hopefully) than to say something like that about all the replacement terms – most of us wouldn’t even THINK of doing it!

Yet, somehow, the employees of the Mike Arrington (of Techcrunch) owned CrunchGear thinks that Mormon bashing on their blog, in an interview they are controlling, is perfectly acceptable.  The post on CrunchGear gets even more raunchy and irreverent than that – talking about how nobody they know has ever had sex with a Mormon girl (in a way they can’t understand, this is actually somewhat unintentionally complimentary). 

For me, if this is what Mike Arrington thinks is acceptable on his blog network, I’m unsubscribing to all the blogs in his network (and any other blogs that think this is acceptable) – and I suggest you do the same.  You wouldn’t keep reading a blog that said something like that about black or gay people would you?

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  1. Devin

    I think it should be noted that before we had this interview, Penn was making jokes about Mormons. He had talked about “magic underwear” in his presentation and it was when we were joking about that that we found that the guy we were talking with was a Mormon. He was cool with it, he was going to interview Penn too after all, and he even got us some pics of a new UMPC prototype he was carrying around. Exaggerating the content and ignoring the context (this was an informal interview with a notoriously outspoken atheist who ridicules everything about everybody) does nobody any good.

  2. Phil801

    @Devin – so you think it was ok to be saying that? You think I’m exaggerating the content? The point of my post is that there’s no way you would have said the EXACT SAME words if you were talking about blacks, jews or gays – to you it’s just fine to bash on a religious group that you clearly know nothing about. It’s called bigotry no matter what the context is or who the ‘notoriously outspoken athieist’ is. You and Matt are the ones that inititated the commentary in the interview.

    You really think the Mormon guy whose religion and deep personal beliefs you were openly mocking was ok with it? Or that he would be comfortable saying otherwise? I’m Mormon and I’m not cool with it. But even if I wasn’t, even if your comments were about Jews or Muslims, my reaction would have been the same. It’s competely unacceptable.

  3. Brett Nordquist

    Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I will never read CrunchGear or TechCrunch again. Clueless and classless interview.

  4. Jesse Stay

    @Devin does it matter who initiated it? You still posted the comment on TechCrunch. There are many other big bloggers like Phil that will also be blogging on this, against TechCrunch’s favor if you don’t put a stop to it. Apologize, remove the post, and move on!

    As the creator of the 35,000 user Catholic app on Facebook, 20,000+ user LDS app on Facebook, Baptist and other apps, as well as a Tech blogger myself and author of soon to be 2 books, I guarantee you don’t want to have this turn into a PR nightmare. I will be posting this to all 35,000 Catholics on Facebook who I know will support it, as well as all LDS applications and groups. It’s already been Twittered – I know I’m not the only one that tracks, “Mormon” on Twitter. I will blog it, and about 300 people a day will see it (and growing!). Hey – if this turns into a big enough PR issue, why not add it as an example of Facebook “No-No’s” in my Facebook book soon to be released (Forewarded by Scoble and Lorenzen)?

  5. Chris

    Its bad enough that you facilitated it and participated in it, Devin. Now you come here and try to justify it. You ought to be fired.

    Bozo.

  6. Devin

    This will be my last post because I’m not interested in entering an point-by-point flamewar here.

    Everything in the world is fair game for poking fun at. I dare you to find a stand-up routine without religion, sex, or race in it. If you were offended by the fact that we find a certain religious tradition funny, oh well. Don’t read the interview! And while you’re at it, don’t read The God Delusion or His Dark Materials, don’t watch Jesus Camp or listen to George Carlin or Bill Hicks. Like I said, this is an interview with a man who has made a point of going after every sacred cow, crossing every line, and generally treating political correctness as a total joke, and whether you agree with him or not, it’s as much his right to speak his mind as it is yours to say you’re offended. Mormons happened to be topical and already mentioned (so was f—ing nuns while Hillary Clinton watched, I notice no one mentioned that), so they came up in conversation. And we were just riffing on his earlier bit and giving him a heads up, not formulating a final solution. It’s a long walk from banter to bigotry.

    So, while you are free to register your displeasure, please refrain from trying to censor us.

  7. Phil801

    @Devin your deflection on this issue is astounding. How big of a moron Penn is and how crass, un-entertaining, ignorant and socially backward he is has NOTHING to do with it!

    The POINT is that YOU chose to publish THAT interview in its full context on CrunchGear. If CrunchGear was actually about Penn and his stupid “humour” that would be a totally different situation. Mike’s site is supposed to be about Technology and Gadgets – THAT is what people go there to read. If I want to read garbage, I’ll go to a garbage site – and THAT is the point. You just turned CrunchGear into a Garbage site. How am I supposed to know that the interview you just published has all that crap in it? Your audience trusts you to publish articles that are on topic – to not suddenly post an incredibly insensitive and pathetic interview with some moron.

    The reason for boycotting and trying to censor you is that you just declared yourself a trashy site, not a “professional blog” about tech and gadgets as you previously purported yourself to be. By association, you’ve also just endicted the entire Crunch network, bringing the call for boycott on them as well. As the owner, Mike either approves or disapproves of your degradation of HIS site and by extension all his other sites.

    If you still can’t understand the issue here, maybe you should take it up with Mike and get him to publicly support or denounce you. That would certainly solidify the call for boycott one way or the other.

    As for the Hillary and nuns comment – that too was indeed totally unacceptable, but one small tidbit amongst an immense spewing of garbage. Not only did your “banter” about Mormons go on in the begining of the interview, it concluded with it as well and took up a good amount of the commentary.

    This isn’t a point-by-point flamewar – this is actually a real issue that you are refusing to acknowledge and are attempting to sweep under the rug with “well, he said it first” – you still chose to publish the stupid interview.

  8. Brad

    If you’re against TechCrunch and CrunchGear, why link to them? Aren’t you supporting them? Like the upcoming movie thriller “Untraceable,” we’re all just sharks to the blood. http://www.fandango.com/untraceable_v359015/summary

  9. Phil801

    @Brad – good point on the links, I’ve changed them to tinyurls. While you’re technically correct that linking to them is “supporting” them, I want people to be able to go view the post and sites themselves.

  10. Chris

    @Phil back to Devin:

    That could not have been more right on. Like I said, Devin, if you’re this stupid you ought to be fired.

  11. Michael Arrington

    I read the interview, I have no problem with the content. In general, any time religion is made to look ridiculous I’m in favor of it. It (religion) has caused far too much pain in human history to be allowed any sort of veneration.

    Spirituality? Belief in God? Religious freedom? I’m all in favor of it. But I’m also just as willing to publish those who choose to say it’s absurd.

    To compare this to racism is a false analogy. Penn is not saying Mormons are inferior humans. He’s simply ridiculing them for their beliefs (and based on his show Bullshit, he does the same for all religions).

    I hadn’t read any of this until Jason Alba emailed me from JibberJobber, but I would have greenlighted it anyway. It’s not sexist, it’s not racist. It’s simply speech.

    I’m happy to debate this further but it’s going to have to be a reasonable, non-threatening discourse. I’ll leave it to you to decide.

    Mike

  12. Michael Arrington

    By the way, Mitt Romney was the first presidential candidate I interviewed on TechCrunch. One of the ground rules of the campaign was that we delete any anti-mormon comments. We complied because I thought it distracted from the overall conversation which was about his tech policies. But, really, religious types need to get a thicker skin and be a little less defensive.

  13. Trent

    Wow, come out and show your true colors Michael, a pompous blogger blaming the world’s problems on religion. Such an Internet original(roll eyes). You come here and worry about some tiny blogger complaining about what you write, but you don’t really listen. I mean, these after all your readers. The only reason you even exist is because of them. Ask Digg what happens when you forget about your readers.

    Penn saying those things is one thing, he is a comic. Your writers however are not, and started the comments in the interview. They continued to add comments and then even brought it up again at the end again. Things like this is what gives bloggers a bad name, and proves that you guys are just pure hacks. It is tabloid journalism. That would be like Katie Couric joining in on a guest making fun of Jews. Here is an example. Conan O Brian had on Bill Maher just recently where he went off on all Christians. Now, Conan didn’t continue on with it and feed him more material. Let the guy do his thing, but the interviewer does not join in. I’m fine with Penn going off, that is his thing. Let the comic do his job, you do yours. Your writers are bigots, and apparently so are you.

  14. Michael Arrington

    Trent, your type of response is why most people won’t bother trying to engage in a conversation. I understand that if you are “x” and someone says “x” is absurd, it can be hard to calm down enough to have a reasonable conversation. But anyway, there’s no way I’m going to even begin putting time into an argument where your starting position is that I am a bigot. There’s just no support for that.

    This is the last time I’ll be checking this thread.

  15. Trent

    Since Michael won’t check the thread again I will just speak in general. Why don’t we look up what the word bigot means, “a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance”. Ok, so Michael starts his comment with “I have no problem with the content. In general, any time religion is made to look ridiculous I’m in favor of it. It (religion) has caused far too much pain in human history to be allowed any sort of veneration.”. Hmm, sounds like bigotry to me. Michael lumps Mormons in with groups that have caused all these problems just because they are labeled a religion. Not only is Michael bigoted, but he is a hypocrite. He says he wants a fair discourse but he began his comments lumping up all religions together negatively. That is the same as labeling technology bad because you can make bombs with it. Each group needs to be viewed on its own merit, otherwise it is exactly what the dictionary defines it as, bigotry.

    Michael apparently doesn’t read his own comment. I don’t care if he agrees with religion, but that is not what he said. Putting us in the same group with those that supposedly caused much of the world’s problems is not a good discourse. Michael says, “I’m happy to debate this further but it’s going to have to be a reasonable, non-threatening discourse. I’ll leave it to you to decide.” Why doesn’t he take his own advice?

    One last comment, in my comments I never blamed Penn. I think the Simpsons and South Park have actually had some very funny pieces jabbing at Mormons. I watch those in expectation of that however. I do not read tech blogs for this. Michael should just create a comic blog if he wants to do that stuff, otherwise there is no place for his writers to create this type of content.

  16. Trent

    Reading back on my comments I need to soften it a little bit in saying that Michael’s COMMENTS were bigoted, and he was hypocritical in asking for a reasonable discourse. Whether or not he is all the time I have no idea, I can only judge what he wrote here.

  17. Jesse Stay

    We’re at 12 diggs now – let’s get this to the top of Digg. Michael wants this to die down so they have ceased commenting on here and the article itself (they were just sticking their foot in their mouth further anyway).

    http://digg.com/gadgets/CrunchGear_That_was_Uncalled_For

    Michael, if you are still reading this – so, basically what you’re saying is that you don’t care that your readers are offended and it’s their fault, not yours that they are offended? You’re saying you don’t care what your readers think? Maybe true in real life, but you clearly need to get some business sense and try to understand your readers better. So far the comments against the article (on the article page itself!) are in the majority, and not just among Mormons.

  18. Chris

    Wow. After reading Mike’s comments I am speechless and that is pretty much unheard of.

  19. Rand

    The real problem here is hypocracy. Those who claim to be tolerant. I am “Mormon” and I really do not care if someone makes a stupid comment demonstrating their ignorance. What I cannot stand are those who hide behind being politically correct when their ox is gored, but have no problem denigrating other groups. It is apparent that Michael is just such a person.

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